The Patrick Clancy case: the role of ex-husband Patrick Clancy in the incident involving his three young children—experts cite evidence.

The Patrick Clancy case: the role of ex-husband Patrick Clancy in the incident involving his three young children—experts cite evidence.

So, the fact that she’s not uh talking about the unicorns in the corner and she’s not slurring her speech and she’s not uh unable to walk to your opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, does that mean that she’s not in a psychotic state? ” It does not. ” Um would you tell us after she took Kora to the doctors and and the jurors have had a chance to look at the exhibits? There’s photographs between her and her husband Pat back and forth in the afternoon.

 What did she do? She built a snow snowman in the backyard ” with two of her kids ” later in that day. Uh Google directions to a a restaurant 3V restaurant. ” Yes. ” Is that something that a person can do when they’re in that type of a a state ” easily? ” Did the voices of the intrusive thoughts to your interview and your understanding abate or stop at that point on January 24th? ” No.

” Did they continue? Yes. ” And did she communicate by text with her husband about getting dinner and getting something from CVS? ” Yes. ” And what was it? Was it Pedialax? ” Pedilac or Flexax? It’s a uh stool softener for her child. ” And that’s something that was prescribed by the doctor, right? ” Yes.

 Does that make sense that if somebody is in a state where they’re having these symptoms that they’re able to remember that the doctor wanted the child to have pedialax and she tells her husband to get pediat? ” Yes. It does not interfere with that type of everyday living. She indicated to you uh sir that uh that evening after the husband had oh by the way was it your understanding from talking to her that the husband had taken trips gone away for weekends gone on ski trips had brunches with his friends and was out of the house on a regular basis.

” Yes. ” That night is when the children were killed. Is that correct? ” Yes. And we’ve heard repeatedly about the circumstances of the going out the window and the weather and and the damages and the injuries and going to the hospital. Um doctor, based on your review of all of the medical records, um did you administer any testing by the way to her? Like you were talking about psychological testing.

” Yes. And what were the psychological tests that you performed? Uh, ” initially [clears throat] I did a mini mini mental status exam. MMSE it’s just a common test orientation. ” I’m sorry I didn’t understand that. MSE ” MMSE mini mental status examination. Very common test. ” Okay. ” Demonstrating whether someone has a field of knowledge, who’s the president, what direction should you travel, and basic things like where are you, what day is today, who are you? And then I did another test as well.

” What other test was that, sir? ” That’s the hair psychopathy checklist. H A R E. ” And what does that do? ” That’s a measure of antisocial personality disorder. ” And do you have an opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty based upon the scale that you use to assess whether or not Lindsay Clancy had anti-personality [clears throat] disorder? ” Yes.

” What [snorts] was the result? The result is that she does not have any type of antisocial personal disorder, also known as sociopathy. ” Um, in addition to uh reviewing the medical records and testing and meeting with her, um, did you also interview third parties? ” Yes. ” Is that referred to in the psychology as collateral contacts? ” Yes.

 and you reviewed and interviewed number of people in her family or friends or people in her social circle. Is that correct? ” Yes. ” Can you tell the juris to a reasonable degree? Well, let me ask you this. Are you familiar with Mass General Hospital um doing a a major research program uh on postpartum psychosis? ” Yes. ” And did they publish a uh an article a significant article regarding the circumstances, symptomology and things of that nature of postpartum psychosis.

” Yes. ” And would you agree sir that u the symptoms of postpartum psychos postpartum psychosis would be depression? Is that one? ” Yes. ” Did did Lindsay to your opinion have depression? ” Yes. And were there indications from your review of the medical records that she felt low, flat, tearful, emotional, crying? ” All of those things? Yes.

” Did she also express anxiety, feeling tense, nervousness? ” All of those things? Yes. ” Did she also express feelings that she was withdrawn, not able to socialize with people, wanting to talk or be near others? ” All of those things as well. Yes. Did she indicate that she felt tired, heavy, without energy? ” Absolutely. Yes.

” Did she indicate that she was having a harder time taking care of her children? ” Yes. ” Did she indicate that she was was having issues regarding personal hygiene, not bathing, things of that nature? ” Yes. ” Did she indicate that she had severe confusion um and and actually hearing or or seeing things that aren’t there? In her case, it would not be seeing.

 That would be visual hallucinations. But did she complain of hearing things that weren’t there? Hallucinations? ” Yes. ” Did she complain of thoughts and beliefs that were not within reality and that she was in a disassociative state ” out of reality? ” Yes. ” Did she indicate that did you observe that there was a there were circumstances where she exhibited increased energy, activity, productivity, otherwise known as hypomomania? ” Yes.

” Did she complain that she had racing thoughts? uh a quote busy brain end quote increased creativity. ” Yes. ” And when she said in your review of the medical records that she was having a busy brain, did she express the fact that she would get confused and that that it was she thought her brain was damaged? ” Yes, that’s correct.

” Was she restless and agitated, unable to keep still? ” Yes. ” Unable to sleep? ” Yes. Extremely unable to sleep. So, can you tell this jury, sir, in your opinion, to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, based upon all of what you have reviewed, all of what we have talked about, all of what you have considered as to whether or not at the time of this incident resulting in the killing of these three little kids that she was suffering from a mental disease or defect such as that she lost substantial capacity to appreciate the wrongfulness

of her act or in the disjunctive was unable to conform her conduct to the requirements of the law. ” Yes. ” Tell the jury what your opinion is, please. ” My opinion is that she did have indeed a mental disease or a defect. That’s a legal construct, not a DSM51, but she had bipolar disorder with postpartum psychosis.

In addition, she was unable to conform her behaviors to the rule of law and she had no appreciation for the wrongfulness of her act. ” Thank you, sir. ” You’re welcome. ” I come [snorts] ” [clears throat]